LSBA & the way we represent our selves

[bustedassranch]

While I agree with the crossbow issue & even have a paper copy collecting signatures. I dont agree with the way that it is being handled on another web site. We all have difference in opinions & we can all voice them, but that site has a lot of lurkers that may never post but may talk to friends. I was told once that 1 happy customer may tell 1 other person about you..but 1 unhappy customer will tell everyone they see. As folks that in a whole represent bow hunting in Texas we should be aware of other factors & other people that we may never see or meet.
ok I will get off my horse now
Carry on

[BUFF]

I think it is one of those darned if we do and darned if we don't. I'm 100% behind Joey, I'm just not smart enough to argue with people with out hurting their feelings.

[LostHawg]

Joey's got my vote. He held his cool a LOT better than I could have.

[Ronny]

I'm with Busted on this one. I think everone on that site knows where the LSBA stands, so is there a need to argue with them, I don't think so. I really think the arguement is over rated and out off hand at this point. We will never change the minds off all the people, we don't need to I don't think. I think we just need to keep getting names and stop the arguing.

[tinman]

I agree. I don't want to see us defined by this issue...I am sorry for contributing to that.

However, I also feel that it would be wrong to allow the leader(s) of the other site (either directly or through inaction) to campaign for this Bill and slander us (collectively and individually) and anyone who vocally opposes it as "angry elitist". Any "hostility" that I have shown has been a defensive reaction...sorry to those who I have disappointed, I will try to rise above that in the future.

I still have a lot of respect for Devin and value his opinion, despite him having seen "my true colors" and cursing me with the alienation and polarization plague ;)...but I feel that he is using his position as a 'moderator/admin' to oppose every effort we make to gain support from bowhunters in the single biggest bowhunting community in Texas, TBH.

Funny how I speak for the LSBA there yet he only speaks for himself as an LSBA Member on this topic...not the Administrator/Moderator title he wears the rest of the time.

Maybe I'm wrong...maybe I am just the elitist a-hole that Devin says that I am? Either way, I will stop posting replies when he stops taking cheap shots at me and others who are just trying to preserve our privileges.

[Bullrdr82]

Joey - First off I want to say that you have a cooler head than I do. There were quite a few things on that perticulat thread that I did not agree with, but I also realized that I now represent the LSBA in a professional manner. It took everything I had not to post anything in response, because I knew that I would not have conducted myself in a "professional" manner. I did not want to stoop to a level below that is what is expected of me as an LSBA Rep.

I think there was a lot of back and forth and some things were taken out of context. I have said it before, that is one of the biggest problems in doing things on the internet, people can not see facial expressions, and reactions, so things get blown way out of proportion.

I agree with everyone who thinks that officers should conduct themselves in a professional manner, however if someone takes a personal shot any member, officer or not, then they should be able to defend themselves.

OK....I am not sure if any of this made sense, but atleast now I feel better!!

Thanks Joey for all that you are doing.

[Tomme]

Guess it's good that I haven't been going to TBH lately. Maybe I need to.

[tinman]

Joey I commend you for taking the high road on the recent threads concerning crossbow hunting during the archery season. I have seen nothing wrong with any of your posts concerning this issue.
Just wanted to share part of this message from my PM-inbox on TBH...this is one of a dozen PMs and e-mails that I got today while I was at work. I also received 2 phone calls from members (one new member) throughout the day and I appreciate everyone's support...so far, alienation and polarization don't seem so bad. ;)

[bustedassranch]

Like I said in the first post I am behind you. I was just trying to make a point. TBH has a lot of people that post & lurk. Their are a lot of new people on TBH in the last few months I.E. that could be a lot of new people to LSBA. I joined from learning about LSBA on TBH as did many others. Dont take none of my statements in the wrong way. I am behind you on this issue.

[tinman]

BAR, I understand what you're saying and I appreciate your support as well as your/everyone's constructive criticism.

I will keep it in mind as we continue to promote the petition and the LSBA in general.

[Tomme]

Joey I just read all of the posts on the TBH thread (now closed). I think that you and Buff did us proud.

Not much one can do if someone wants to call them a name (elitist) simply because we disagree with them.

[Devin]

Wow. ':shock:'

Let me begin by saying Dena worked with me today on getting my LSBA account straightened out. After registering a month ago I was looking forward to finally logging on here as a member and this is the first thread I'm privileged to read.

Thank you, Dena for working to get the issue with my account resolved. Your a class act all the way around.

Unfortunately, this might just be the shortest forum membership in this forum's history.

I've never posted a PM or email before, but given Joey's accusations I feel a need to clear the air. Here is the PM Joey sent me late this afternoon after all the crossbow threads on TBH had been closed by Casey.

[quote:c577a1952e]tinman:

[quote:c577a1952e]Devin wrote on a TBH thread:

[tinman]

Cotton's the man!...sorry to drag you in with the LSBA Elite, Jeff.

I regret calling Michael to the table...it was wrong. My grandfather just passed Friday at 2pm, I'd been with family all weekend emotionally surfing between supporting my grandmother/mother and trying to have a fun Easter egg hunt with Jadyn. I wasn't in a good place to be in 'public'...I shouldn't have been on the boards this weekend.

I probably won't post much until after his service at the end of the week. I will be working on some articles to promote archery/bowhunting without mentioning crossbows.

Thanks for the support (and the head-check). ;)

Good to see you, Devin. Good night.

[bustedassranch]

Sorry to hear that Joey you are in our prayers.

Thanks for the things you do to help our great sport of bow hunting. Keep the articles coming. LSBA mags are the only mags on my coffee table

[Devin]

I truly am sorry to hear about the loss of your grandfather, Joey.

Our petty differences here are inconsequential when weighed against the truly important things. But, I would appreciate an explanation of your statements here whenever your afforded the opportunity.

Prayers for your family in this time of loss.

[crittergitter]

devin, i finally made it also thanks to dena. she is great.

i dont like the back and forth either. you have too many different opinions on a public forum for that and everybody is right and you will never change their opinion.

i like to see facts and why lsba supports this issue and what direction they are trying to go and why. that way people can see the facts and make up their on mind.

some people believe lsba are against crossbows which i dont believe anybody is against them but they are NOT archery equipment.

government has a history of wording things where they can do what they want. if we let government call crossbow archery equipment we are in trouble.

to me a crossbows and a shotguns are in the same class with range and how they are used

i am on a bow only lease so it does not effect me(plus it is to dang hot to hunt in oct)

i just dont want to see the government pull a fast one

thanks for letting me post

[2050z]

Guess it's good that I haven't been going to TBH lately. Maybe I need to.

Stay out of there Tomme. Plus your post are always way too long. :lol: :D

[LostHawg]

Nothing at all..

[tinman]

Not to contribute to any 'back & forth' but just so the minutes show that I did reply to the member's concerns... :P :wink: :lol:

BTW, I never said that you cursed at me..as in said 'bad words' to me. I said that you had "cursed me with the polarization and alienation plague" as in, you put an evil spell on me with your black magic voodoo words....:)

As too the "angry elitist", you've called me an elitist more than once during these discussions...and you've called me confrontational and hostile...sorry to misrepresent you and leap to "angry elitist". ;)

As to the "elitist a-hole" comment. You're right Devin...those are my words again. Maybe the respect I have for you is internalizing the "Big Bad Wolf" imagry you keep painting me with and I'm starting to think I'm an a-hole? Wasn't trying to quote you, as in you'd called me an a-hole, as much as generalize and paraphrase...does that even make sense? I gotta crash!

Anyway, I still hate fighting with you on this topic brother...
The rest of this PM was personal and private but Devin, I think we should use more emoticons when we discuss this...seems to help cushion the impact factor. :shock: :o :lol: <====<<< See, that's a whole sentence by itself right there. ;)

I gotta get to work.

[Cull]

Good Post BARanch. While I adamantly oppose the inclusion of crossbows in the archery season except for those stipulations in the current regulations, I feel things got way out of hand on TBH. The LSBA has made major inroads with the TBH community of late and membership drives there have helped our numbers get back above 1,000 members. We have signed up the founder/owner and many of the moderators during that time. I feel this situation can only take from those gains.

As a long time poster on TBH, I have learned (the hard way) that there are some arguments best left off the debate table. The eventual escalation of emotions on subjects like high fences, expandable broadheads and the like always lead to the same place, a divided house filled with hurt feelings. Being in the LSBA puts a spotlight on all of us that may not be wanted but is nonetheless there. While I believe we should all support the principles that we hold dear, there is a fine line between conviction and ideal overkill. Pushing any argument past the point of practical explanation puts the audience on edge and drives the reader past the simple point of

[Hot4huntin]

Joey~I am sorry to hear about your grandfather! Prayers sent for your family from the Kana's!

Devin and Kevin, thanks for the kinds words and I am glad to see you posting on LSBA's website.

It is a fine line which we walk between our individuality and our representation of an organization, especially when the cause of the organization helps define who we are as an individual. I constantly find myself in that position.

TBH and Michael have been big supporters of LSBA over the past year and without them our membership numbers would not have risen to the current 1,088. LSBA owes Michael and many other TBHers, their friends and/or family and big thank you. I hope that the LSBA/TBH relationship can continue in the future. We must not forget that even though we disagree on some issues, we still are all bowhunters with the same common goal--to continue the heritage of bowhunting. We may have different ideas on how to reach that goal, but LSBA needs to listen to the majority.

Facts should be presented and an individual can take whatever action they believe is appropriate for their position on a particular issue. LSBA must follow the majority of the members' wishes and act accordingly. I must commend Devin for his support of the LSBA even though there are differences of opinion on some issues. Many people pick up their toys and run when there is a disagreement, but he has remained a supporter of the LSBA. Thanks, Devin!

I cannot control the things of the past in the LSBA, but I am always willing to listen, so the same mistakes are not made in the future. The future is looking much brighter for the LSBA and it is unfortunate that we have had some major hurdles occur this year that many times does divide an organization. I encourage all members to get involved and voice your opinions with respect to others. This is a very passionate subject and tempers tend to flare and words and feelings can be misconstrued on a forum.

The LSBA has reached so many kids this past year and introduced them to archery. To me, that is the most important part of the LSBA, to get bows in the hands of our future. Joey has be instrumental in building bows for kids and providing them free of charge. This says a lot about his passion for bowhunting and the future of our sport.

Because people that I respect have had different opinions than I do on certain subjects, I have found myself reading and researching to gain more knowledge in these areas, which will hopefully make me a better bowhunter and a more knowledgeable representative of our sport. One of the articles that I found from NRA Free Hunters entitled "The Humane Society of the U.S. and the Fund For Animals Merged, an They're...Burning Bows at Both Ends" contained a paragraph that has stayed with me since I've read it.


Bowhunters are capable of determining their own destiny if they continue to stay organized and work with political and trade association allies. Along the way, it will remain imperative that they demand and abide by the dictates of good science, good ethics and self-policing.

[Ronny]

Now that is two good post back to back, very well said Dena and Cull

[Bullrdr82]

I agree with you Ronnie.... two great posts in a row.... could we be on a roll here??? :lol:

I hope that the realationship between LSBA and TBH is not harmed with this issue. I do not think that would be good for either group.... JMO.

[RSATT]

The best thing that has happened on this debate is that it is over. IMHO.

Cull and Dena pretty well summed it up nicely.....as they always do.

Both sides got a little "out of hand", but both Guys showed a lotta class by admitting they made mistakes.

I still have the greatest Respect possible for both Devin and Joey.
Joey for giving so much time and money to the effects of LSBA.
And Devin for being the most respected Moderator on TBH.

[DEER KILLER]

I know this is off topic from this whole discussion. I can't read anything on the TBH site cause I am banned from the usage of there messaging forum. So I have no idea what was being said. Although I am curious. I think the LSBA is a great thing. You guys reach out to the kids with out them we would have nothing. You guys stand your ground involving all kinds of issues. My hat is off to you guys. I am looking forward to the shoot in July.
Kyle Scott

[NDNRoger]

Dang Joey! I leave for a couple of weeks and you break out the stick and start stirring! :lol:

Sorry about the loss in your family!