LSBA stance

[bustedassranch]

I was wondering did I miss the "how do the members feel" on the youth rifle season? I never received an e-mail, I do see the poll on the home page. I was just wandering how we "LSBA" decided how to approach this?

[BearOmni]

There were a couple of emails sent out by the LSBA.

Basically the lsba opposes extending the youth season into October. I'll let one of the officers or EC members fill you in on the "official" stance and platform.

[bustedassranch]

I am behind the decision. I just dont recall getting an e-mail or being asked our opinion, but being on the road so much this year my wife could have cleaned out my e-mail.

[LostHawg]

Preserving and Promoting the sport of bowhunting in the state of Texas since 1974...

[mesquitecountry]

Thanks to the region 78 reps who at least cared to listen to a members advice.

Roger/Dena,

You both know what my main issue is. I am seriously getting tired of people saying I dont contribute. I may not do it with LSBA but I do it on my own.

I feel that no matter what like busted said we are never given a chance to respond. We are told what our position is. If people are running for representatives then shouldnt we know what basis they are running for. I for one did not know that a vote for someone meant they represent my interests.


THE ABSOLUTE main reason I pay money in to LSBA is to help pay for the shooting seminars. I dont even want a magazine if it will offset some of the cost. Other than that MANY of us that are for these things are always left out and pushed to the side.

I am not the only one that feels this way. And this always tears all sides apart. Mainly because if we're in the minority we're basically told deal with it and shut up. Here is our stance. Just my opinion but I or many people that share the same Ideology as me feel the same. I know many people that wont be renewing their membership. Even though I try to get them to stay on and fight.

It's disheartening.

If yall wish to ban me because I buck the trend and dont fit in to the cookie cutter trad bowhunter (which personnifies LSBA) then I will spend money to promote youth HUNTING somewhere else.

No harm no foul.

[bustedassranch]

I would hope no one would get banned for asking questions like the one I still have not got an answer to nor for stating their opinion.

[txhunter]

I would hope no one would get banned for asking questions like the one I still have not got an answer to nor for stating their opinion.

I believe BearOmni answered your question. You asked about receiving an email and where the LSBA stands on this. That was answered.

I am only the "webmaster" for the LSBA so I don't deal with the decisions or voting. But I do agree somewhat with Mesquite. The LSBA is supposed to be the voice of bowhunters in Texas. I must say that the "bowhunters" in Texas don't have much of a "say so" when it comes to issues that will affect them. The "main" EC members make the decisions of the LSBA's stance on an issue and that is it. The decision was made on this issue as soon as it became public through emails by the EC. Then after the decision was made, they posted this issue on other sites to get bowhunter's feedback.

Now the other issue on this is that LSBA members need to step-up and take action by contacting their representatives and voicing their opinions on certain situations. I am sure not many sent an email or called their reps. And in this situation, a decision needed to be made quickly.

And I am also against the proposal for youth rifle season in the month of October.

[mesquitecountry]

The funny thing is that I've been branded a rifle hunter but there have been many more people that are opposed to this killing deer with guns this year. There have only been two rifle kills on berger ranch this year as opposed to 4 years ago when it was rifle only.


Now the other issue on this is that LSBA members need to step-up and take action by contacting their representatives and voicing their opinions on certain situations. I am sure not many sent an email or called their reps. And in this situation, a decision needed to be made quickly.

If the hearing wasnt until January did a message need to be sent out or did it need to be sent out before all of membership could weigh in?

[txhunter]

Even if that is the case, I am sure LSBA members wouldn't contact their rep to voice their opinions. Posting on a public forum isn't going to get the job done.

[bustedassranch]

Posting on a public forum isn't going to get the job done.
I guess the e-mails were sent to my spam folder. Guess that wont get the job done either. Online petitions, online surveys, Threads spread over 3 websites that I know of, but posting on a public forum isn't going to get the job done?

[txhunter]

There are many responses on these forums by non-LSBA members. And if it was sent to your spam folder, you can't place blame on the LSBA. Maybe you should add @lonestarbowhunters.com to your accepted email address list. You can look at it however you want but if LSBA members want to voice their opinions, then they need to contact their reps via email or by a phone call. That is what the reps are there for. Not to browse public forums to retreive opinions.

[Bill M]

Preserving and Promoting the sport of bowhunting in the state of Texas since 1974...
Fellas is there really any doubt what the LSBA is about? I think they have been pretty clear on issues that will affect the Archery Only season. I'm not real sure why y'all would think they suddenly changed what they are about.

The funny thing is that I've been branded a rifle hunter but there have been many more people that are opposed to this killing deer with guns this year. I really haven't read anywhere that you have been branded a gun hunter. I would be one of those that made a rifle kill this year. It is legal to do so during the General Season. Not that it matters since I made a legal kill in a legal season but this is on a piece of property where I'm not set up to bow hunt and I don't know the neighbors should a tracking job be necessary. It doesn't change my mind at all about the October youth season.

[bustedassranch]

There are many responses on these forums by non-LSBA members. And if it was sent to your spam folder, you can't place blame on the LSBA. Maybe you should add @lonestarbowhunters.com to your accepted email address list. You can look at it however you want but if LSBA members want to voice their opinions, then they need to contact their reps via email or by a phone call. That is what the reps are there for. Not to browse public forums to retreive opinions.
Your right I will be sure to call my rep in the morning & let them know how I feel.

[LostHawg]

Travis, If you can't appreciate that a bowhunting organization supports BOWhunting, then there's no argument, no discussion. That's just my opinion.

Jack or Marty or one of the 78 reps will have to ban you, because I won't. Its not my place. Haven't seen any cause to ban you yet anyway...

[BearOmni]

BAR,
Did you ever recieve the lsba emails?
I'd be glad to forward them to you.
Post or PM me your email and I'll send them to you.

[mesquitecountry]

I really haven't read anywhere that you have been branded a gun hunter. I would be one of those that made a rifle kill this year. It is legal to do so during the General Season. Not that it matters since I made a legal kill in a legal season but this is on a piece of property where I'm not set up to bow hunt and I don't know the neighbors should a tracking job be necessary. It doesn't change my mind at all about the October youth season.

Bill,

When did I question the legality of what you did? I did no such thing.



Travis, If you can't appreciate that a bowhunting organization supports BOWhunting, then there's no argument, no discussion. That's just my opinion.

Jack or Marty or one of the 78 reps will have to ban you, because I won't. Its not my place. Haven't seen any cause to ban you yet anyway...


I've already heard inklings of it being called for. I guess I'm not allowed to state my opinion as you said there is no discussion, no argument. Then the poll and the petition and the formal announcement are all for show. As a member our opinion does not matter. Because the EC decides the way we're going to act no matter what.

And Tracy, there are several things that have been said to me that you dont know about that were out of line when pushing bowhunting only.

You keep saying voice of the bowhunters in Texas. Clearly you are not my voice nor the others that voted for this. LSBA has about 1% of the bowhunters in Texas as members. I'd bet that the other 99% doesnt realize that you speak for them as well. Just saying a little more open ears to what the "rest of us" simpletons have to say would have been appreciated.


We all will be the death of our own sport. Sadly.


Like I said earlier. If yall wish to ban me go ahead and do it. But you can guarantee this. I will never stop promoting hunting.

Dena,

Please forward me reminders to donate money to the youth shooting seminars. If I'm not allowed to be a voice then I will gladly just send a check to the worthy cause.

[LostHawg]

The EC is controlled by the bylaws. The bylaws state the organization is reliant on the bow season. (I'm paraphrasing) So, any threat to the bow/archery season is a threat the EC must oppose. Firearms in the archery only season is such a threat. Even if they are in the hands of the youth, it circumvents the use of archery equipment in the season that bowhunters fought and paid for. I don't understand why you don't get this.

There are too many alternatives for the youth the commission could pursue; January, February, September, Winter break, Thanksgiving... Instead, they've got the hots for the bowhunters and the archery season. Has NOTHING to do with the kids, nor management. They just feel like they've got something to prove.

Once again; this is MY opinion. Just as the last comments were.

[bustedassranch]

ok I placed calls to both my reps & the pres, unfortunately they are all out of pocket. Bear if you would please fwd the e-mail to
bustedassranch@hotmail.com
Thank you

[bustedassranch]

Thank you Jack & Dena for the calls.

[txhunter]

Busted, very respectable. You are da'man... :michael:

[mesquitecountry]

Firearms in the archery only season is such a threat.

Didnt you just recently kill a deer on a MLD property? You know MLD already has permission to hunt october. Why are you hunting MLD if it's a direct threat on bowhunting.

September

So you want kids to rifle hunt before bow hunters? I'm not following you tracy.

















Dena,

At your convenience.

If you have time I'd appreciate it if you could respond to my questions. If you dont feel I'm worth the time just say so and I will not bother LSBA with my "voice" any longer.

[LostHawg]

Travis,
I killed that deer on NOVEMBER 15. WHERE was I in the wrong?

You know, Travis, I think you WANT to cause trouble. I think you want to cause discord. Why is that? Is it just your nature to cause trouble? Are you just seeing what button it takes to push to get banned? You keep commenting as though we're out to get you, but there has been NO evidence of that as of yet?

[mesquitecountry]

You know, Travis, I think you WANT to cause trouble. I think you want to cause discord. Why is that? Is it just your nature to cause trouble? Are you just seeing what button it takes to push to get banned? You keep commenting as though we're out to get you, but there has been NO evidence of that as of yet?

Oh Tracy. How far you are from the truth is unreal. I'm not looking to get banned. If I wanted to get banned, I'd throw out about 26 cuss words and tell everyone to go to you know where. I'm in this to support hunting and if you see me as trouble because I give a dang about hunting rights then I'm sorry. It is what it is.

Because I dont agree with your way of life I'm the one that is out to cause trouble? How does that make sense. Even people who are on your side on this issue agree that a general consensus was not taken before this was announced. So is it that I'm causing trouble or is it you dont want to hear the "voice" of bowhunters.

Your job as representative is to listen to your members, not tell your members. I dont need the bylaws to know that. Joey and I disagree all the time but he will always listen to what I have to say. You dont see the region 78 reps on here blasting away telling me what my opinion is.


When aw became a sponsor here I warned Brandon what was going to happen. Then of course what happened, buff lost out on a lot of money and had a lot of issues with his heads. Unfortunately his hands were tied.

And yes Tracy, it has been talked about by a couple of EC members. I have found out through the grapevine. If we say we are the voice of bowhunters. Dont you think we need the voice to tell us what to do?


Tracy hunting on mld is support of mld. Which you say you're against.

[LostHawg]

Well, I don't know what to tell you Travis....

And you're only telling a half truth about my stance on MLD and you know it.

[BUFF]

Travis
Please give me a call at 903-576-1951. I'm at my lease and having to get online with a dialup. I have never heard any roomers or anyone suggest you be banned. I wish you would get more involved. I for one would welcome you to run for a EC position. I would expect you do understand you are in the minority on this issue. Every phone call and e-mail I have received on this issue has been in support of fighting this as best we can. You know I'm not very good at arguing on the web sites so I try to avoid it as best as I can but would injoy discussing my position with you any time I think you are a very interesting fellow.
Buff

[Hot4huntin]

Travis:

What questions do you want answered?

[mesquitecountry]

Dena,

I'm not even sure myself anymore. I give up arguing. It's not worth my stress to keep arguing this. I'm officially out of all arguments with everyone on this. It's not worth it to me. I'll continue to support LSBA but my "voice" will now be silent.

[BearOmni]

ok I placed calls to both my reps & the pres, unfortunately they are all out of pocket. Bear if you would please fwd the e-mail to
bustedassranch@hotmail.com
Thank you
Just sent them.

[BearOmni]

MC,
You have the LSBA VP asking you to call him and Dena offering to answer any of your questions.
And this is your response??
It's not worth my stress to keep arguing this. I'm officially out of all arguments with everyone on this. It's not worth it to me. I'll continue to support LSBA but my "voice" will now be silent.

When people openly offer to listen and understand your side of things you revert to the old "I'll take my toys and go home" tactic.

I respect you, and look forward to your input on this site and others. I think you are a very smart person who feels passionately about his opinions. There is nothing wrong with that, just dont turn your back on people who are going out of their way to help you.

(Just my opinion but your response to Dena sounded rude, and was uncalled for ...again just my opinion.)

[bustedassranch]

The EC is controlled by the bylaws. The bylaws state the organization is reliant on the bow season. (I'm paraphrasing) So, any threat to the bow/archery season is a threat the EC must oppose.



Once again; this is MY opinion. Just as the last comments were.

Can you please tell me section and or sub section you seen this? I have read them several times now & cant find it.
Thanks

[mesquitecountry]

Bearomni,

I will give buff a call when I get a moment.

But I've been busy and have not had the time to devote 20 or so minutes.

Sometimes in life you have to realize what you're fighting for is not worth the blood and sweat you have to put out. No one is going to change their mind so its just not worth arguing. We will however be the death of our own sport.



Dena or any other EC,

Here is my question.

Why was their a poll opened up to the members if an announcement on the position was decided 50 or so votes in? What was the need for the poll?

[Bill M]

Bill, When did I question the legality of what you did? I did no such thing. The funny thing is that I've been branded a rifle hunter but there have been many more people that are opposed to this killing deer with guns this year.

Travis the point really has nothing to do with the legality of it. Here are your words in the second quote as if a bow hunter had committed some great sin by hunting with a rifle. MY POINT IS I used a legal method during a legal season but you seem to believe that because I'm opposed to the October Youth season I shouldn't be able to hunt with rifle when legal to do so.

Can you tell me what the part of your statement above in italics has to do with changing the archery only to October youth season. Absolutely nothing IMO.

[bustedassranch]

Thanks for the call back Brad.

[LostHawg]

Can you please tell me section and or sub section you seen this? I have read them several times now & cant find it.
Thanks

Its not in the bylaws as I'd thought. Let me find where I got it and I'll get back to you... I've got to find my papers.

[bustedassranch]

Its not in the bylaws as I'd thought. Let me find where I got it and I'll get back to you... I've got to find my papers.
You can just PM me.
Thanks

[NDNRoger]

The drama over this is so unbelievable! Seriously..are we still in junior high? I thought we were all adults.

Travis,

I can't answer your poll question. You see I have a real job that takes most of my time. I was not able to check and/or read my email during this whole issue until days later. I have thought long and hard about it and fully support the EC. I did not and do not have the time it would take to read every post you have ever made to attempt to sift through all the rhetoric and get your position. I did take the 20 minutes to read through this thread though. And all I can do is shake my head in disbelief.

1. Please stop the cry baby 16 year old whining about "go ahead and ban me". You lose all credibility. Why not just come out and state "I triple dog dare you!"?

2. This painting with a broad brush and slopping paint all over everyone about how you have been looked down on and whatever, has got to stop. Again, you lose all credibility. Would you like it if I said all land owners are ignorant morons?

3. Please stop the crying about your voice is not being heard, and guess I will just keep my voice silent. Again, credibility issues and you look like that same old 16 year old. If you really wanted to keep silent you wouldn't be here acting all put upon.

I felt that the above had to be said. Not apologizing for hurting your feelings as we ARE adults. So now can we have a civil discussion like adults?

What I said to you in the other forum was "you too can run for EC and you don't have anything to complain about if you don't." That was in reference to your complaint about your voice not being heard. I stand by that statement. The best way to effect change is to get involved at the top. In no way did I imply or accuse you of not contributing because I would not have any idea. I contribute via the magazine. Its just about the only way I can give back.


I am a member of the NRA. I disagree with many of the things they say and do. However, I also know that they also get things accomplished when it comes to my gun rights. So I keep sending in my money. Point being, you do not and most likely will not always agree with the decisions the EC makes, but like it has been pointed out so many times, the LSBA is all about fighting for bowhunters rights in Texas. So are you going to continue to act like that 16 year old brat, or are you going to buck up like a man and deal with it?

Now for the record:

I just shot a nice 7 point buck two weekends ago. 105 yds with my 30.06 rifle I inherited from my father. You see, I am a "hunter" that very much enjoys "bowhunting". Its not going to be the EC making decisions that you do not agree with that is going to be the death of our sport. It will be apathy and complacency and in fighting that will do it. Have a difference of opinion. I welcome it. Just be a man about it. ok?

I am now going offline and be with my family. I hope you have a great evening Travis!

[BearOmni]

I am a member of the NRA. I disagree with many of the things they say and do. However, I also know that they also get things accomplished when it comes to my gun rights. So I keep sending in my money. Point being, you do not and most likely will not always agree with the decisions the EC makes, but like it has been pointed out so many times, the LSBA is all about fighting for bowhunters rights in Texas.
That is a GREAT point. I hope everyone gets a chance to read that. Not just MC or one or two others, but everyone on both sides of the issue.

[grizz]

The drama over this is so unbelievable! Seriously..are we still in junior high? I thought we were all adults.


Very appropraite!

Although I would like to extrapolate...I don't want to interject. I just had to say to you sir....very well put and leave it at that.

With that said:

In opposition to the October Gun Season, would you care to solicit short statements from readers giving their thoughts/experiences on the impact this policy would have on bowhunting. Review the statements/proof/edit and select the best arguments to be read by the author at the comissioners meeting. I don't think we should go in there cold but put our best foot forward.

I don't know how you get on the speakers list..but I plan on being there and voicing my strenous objections.

Also, I can car pool 4 people from Hillsboro/Waco on my own dime. I and my son plan on going together.

Its not too early to organize.

I re-upped just for this fight. Whats the plan?

[mesquitecountry]

I had an extremely long winded angry message written in response to the name calling post that someone decided to use to drag down this fight but I've decided it simply isnt worth it.

Bear,

See why it's not worth it.

[BUFF]

Thanks Grizz
I'm not sure when the poll was started BUT the purpose of the LSBA is to preserve and promote bowhunting in the state of Texas. Heck just read the Logo. There is no blanket statement that covers everyone. 90% of the folks I know here in East Texas started bowhunting for one of two reasons. A chance to hunt in October for un pressured deer before the acorns fall or a chance to shoot a doe without a doe permit. If you give a 17 year old his choice of learning to bowhunt or just use his 30/06 most all will chose his rifle, heck who can blame them. I truly believe if they make guns legal in Oct they will remove the main incentive to take up bowhunting.
All cut MC some slack. One of these days he could be one of our best statesmen, The man has passion.

[Bill M]

Travis I'm not against rifle hunting and I challenge you to show one instance where I have stated so.

I'm against putting the 30+ year October Archery Only season out and a October Youth Firearm season in, PERIOD.

Please quit twisting peoples words and stay on point.

[mesquitecountry]

Bill,

I'm not saying you're against it. Just drop it I'm done arguing. It's not worth my stress. I actually do respect your input as well as individuals like Dena's, Roscoe, Buff, Joey, Tracy, and everyone else EVEN GRIZZ dare I say it!

I'm done! Do what yall want! WE disagree we all made our points and no one is budging! All it has done has torn us apart again.

I know my place. It's helping out where I can with what I can. I plan on taking a couple of great youngsters this spring on a turkey hunt that have been struck by badluck. That is my place. To heck with the rest!

At the end of the day I respect you as well as everyone else. I just wished everything could have been handled a little better.

[Bill M]

......................I know my place. It's helping out where I can with what I can. I plan on taking a couple of great youngsters this spring on a turkey hunt that have been struck by badluck. That is my place. ......................

And IMO Travis you are in a very unique place. You have the unique opportunity to touch as many youth as you reasonably can. That's a great place to be and I wish you the best doing what you have always done.

Please don't believe for one minute that those that hope to preserve the Archery Only season aren't behind you in that endeavor, we are. And please don't believe that because we hope to preserve the Archery Only season that we are against getting youth involved because it just isn't so. Look forward to some reports from your involvement.

[mesquitecountry]

thanks bill. I respect your honesty.






Marty,

It was great talking to you. thanks for your time.

[grizz]

Bill,

I actually do respect your input as well as individuals like Dena's, Roscoe, Buff, Joey, Tracy, and everyone else EVEN GRIZZ dare I say it!



MC, I said on TBH we are allot alike but on different sides. I admit...I jerked your chain sometimes and you got to me a couple where I shot my emotions on the keyboard. I would like to get beyond that.

I think the point is there is no bad/good person behind the argument. I understand your position and you think that it will do no harm. Just remember 2 things..1) a compromise was given on bow poundage to involve youth and that was not even given a chance to work 2) Once done..it can't be undone. This was an idea...its being discussed..let the fight happen and the best argument win. BUT this is a BOW discussion group:naughty:

IMHO, there is GREAT potential that this would HURT some kids....my SON agrees. He would not want to be put in a position where if he didn't want to go..Dad couldn't and/or dad would use the kid. And HE is talking about people he knows..

I'd be willing to bet you know or have met parents who may not react in an adult way. Those parents who are responsible have already involved thier kids...we are talking about parents who would rather hunt by themselves @ thanksgiving and Xmas than bring their kid along...


Heck..If I can live with Obama...

[mesquitecountry]

Grizz,

I agree with most of that. You're not a bad egg. Just one of another type!