Interesting phone call...

[NDNRoger]

I thought I would post this here first since this is where he got my number. But I had a guy call that is wanting to turn his ranch into a bow only lease. Maybe I post looking for lease captains only? I will get nothing for this but I do not want to give the guy a bad taste in his mouth if he gets lots of undesirables calling.

Thoughts?:think:

[BUFF]

:angel2:sell him an ad:jump:

[NDNRoger]

I will if he decides to go to a day lease but he is looking to lease to bowhunters only and dump his rifle hunters.

[BUFF]

where is it at

[NDNRoger]

To far for me! Dimmitt county.

[Ronny]

That should make it an easy sell. ( Dimmitt County)
How big is the place

[NDNRoger]

2250 acres....filling the lease is not a problem. He does want to go bow only and has no idea about bowhunting.

[BOBSTER]

First thing they need to be a LSBA member. Bob

[NDNRoger]

I would agree if he went to a day lease type ranch..he could then become a sponsor. But if he wants to remain a private owner and lease it out to bowhunters, I don't think I would make that a contigency for trying to help him find hunters.

Without giving out to much info, that is really all I am trying to do. Not sure how to go about it to ensure he gets good people.

[bustedassranch]

Take apps for a lease manager here & you & the guy decide who the lease manger will be..then take apps for lease members on here..last resort tbh..but try to load it up with LSBA members that way you know the quality of hunter he will have..maybe even make bow hunters ed mandatory for the lease manager & recommended for the members.
just my .02

[TXPalerider]

IMO, he needs to find a quality "lease manager" and allow him to hand pick his members. That's about all you can really do. Ultimately, it comes down to finding somebody he can trust, then trusting them. I don't think you can just "advertise" a place and get quality members. On our places, in the past, we have even opted to buy up additional spots when we couldn't find a suitable replacement. Eventually, somebody that was right would come along and we would fill the spot.

I'm currently on a ranch, but, I still might be interested or know some that would. It really depends on the place and what he's looking to do. Can you send me the information you currently have on the place?

[NDNRoger]

Take apps for a lease manager here & you & the guy decide who the lease manger will be..then take apps for lease members on here..last resort tbh..but try to load it up with LSBA members that way you know the quality of hunter he will have..maybe even make bow hunters ed mandatory for the lease manager & recommended for the members.
just my .02

Good idea! Thanks!

[NDNRoger]

IMO, he needs to find a quality "lease manager" and allow him to hand pick his members. That's about all you can really do. Ultimately, it comes down to finding somebody he can trust, then trusting them. I don't think you can just "advertise" a place and get quality members. On our places, in the past, we have even opted to buy up additional spots when we couldn't find a suitable replacement. Eventually, somebody that was right would come along and we would fill the spot.

I'm currently on a ranch, but, I still might be interested or know some that would. It really depends on the place and what he's looking to do. Can you send me the information you currently have on the place?

Agreed.

Here is what I know:


2250 acres @ $27,000 low fence
number of hunters to be determined but 10 seemed to be his limit
5 trophy bucks/year (claims to have 160 and above)
everyone can take 1 cull buck and 2 doe
feeders are there but designed for rifle hunters and could be moved
year round hogs and varmints

I have a web page where he had someone design whe he thought he would run rifle day hunts. It never happened.

A few pictures from his web site:

[Chunky]

I think the guys above are right. The first thing you need is a stand up guy to run things. He needs to ethical and willing to set and enforce the rules.

The rules need to be clear to everyone and rock solid before any money changes hands.

If you are getting 10 members and only taking 5 trophy bucks....that could be a problem for some people. Is it first 5 "trophy however that is defined" and the other people are just out of luck until next year?

That can work as long as you make the trophy rare enough that more than 5 won't get shot, and the penality for shooting the wrong deer a major deterent. That is kind of the way it is on our lease. Trophy's have to be 5 plus years and 10 pts. Every year we take a few, but most hunters don't get one. Of course everyone is hunting for one.

The lease sounds very good, if the guys on it have not shot it out and it needs a few years to recover. If that is true, going bowhunting is a great solution...but I would hate to be a bowhunter on it, who stayed three years while the deer were improving and then get kicked off so another group of high dollar gun hunters can come in and take the deer.

Let me know is I can help. Good luck.

[NDNRoger]

I think the guys above are right. The first thing you need is a stand up guy to run things. He needs to ethical and willing to set and enforce the rules.

The rules need to be clear to everyone and rock solid before any money changes hands.

If you are getting 10 members and only taking 5 trophy bucks....that could be a problem for some people. Is it first 5 "trophy however that is defined" and the other people are just out of luck until next year?

That can work as long as you make the trophy rare enough that more than 5 won't get shot, and the penality for shooting the wrong deer a major deterent. That is kind of the way it is on our lease. Trophy's have to be 5 plus years and 10 pts. Every year we take a few, but most hunters don't get one. Of course everyone is hunting for one.

The lease sounds very good, if the guys on it have not shot it out and it needs a few years to recover. If that is true, going bowhunting is a great solution...but I would hate to be a bowhunter on it, who stayed three years while the deer were improving and then get kicked off so another group of high dollar gun hunters can come in and take the deer.

Let me know is I can help. Good luck.

You want the job? :congrats:

[Chunky]

LOL, my normal joke here is I would do it...if someone else wants to do treasurer.

I would be glad to help someone, but you need someone who can devote a good amount of time to it. Especially when you are first getting started. A retired guy or someone with more time would be better.

But thanks for thinking of me as a stand up guy. :)

[Tomme]

OK I'm reposting as I discovered the second page.
Duh.

I agree with a lot of the comments above in terms of a lease manager.

For $2,700/bowhunter Chunky's question as to whether they have that many trophy bucks or not is really valid. I might also add these:

1. What does he consider a cull? I know one lease that called any 8 pt a cull. They had some 140 class eights.

2. Is this a year round lease? By that does it include hog? Javelina? Dove, quail, etc. Is it ok to shoot predators (bobcats, coyotes, mountain lions)

3. Any accomodations and other amenities?

4. Also I think that Chunky raised a good point about the term. Would this be a year to year lease or would he consider a longer term like five years? I know that many ranchers don't want to commit too long, but if the ranch has been hunted hard and after a few years of bowhunting big bucks start appearing, someone might chase the bowhunters off with big bucks of their own. The deal has to work for both.

If it's a good lease with a fair chance for a trophy buck and with a chance for long term management it could be a really good deal. Leases in Dimmit are not cheap. To me it depends though on the items above.

[NDNRoger]

All those questions and concerns would have to be worked out between the owner and lease manager. Which is where I need to go from here by trying to find one for him. I may have to come back and ask if anyone has heard of the person I find.

[Chunky]

Do you know Chris Brown and his father Mike? Last I heard they were looking for a lease and I think they would be good.

[NDNRoger]

:o I don't believe I know them. But then I find as I get older I need to meet someone more than once to recall I DO know them! :grandpa:

If you think they would be interested I will PM you with this owners info.

[Chunky]

I will send them an e-mail as well.

[NDNRoger]

PM sent! Thanks!

[TradAg02]

Thanks for the recommendation guys, however I picked up a new lease a few weeks ago.

Dad is still in the market, so I will tell him to check this thread.

Thanks,
Chris