Tred Barta

[DEER KILLER]

I know I am probably not the first to bash this guy, but I saw his woodland caribou lastnight on VS. I laughed so hard. This guy is terrible terrible. I know some of you guys are friends with him, someone teach this guy how to take ethical shots. Buff where you at help this guy out.
Kyle Scott

[txhunter]

I agree with ya. That was the worst hunting show I have ever seen. I lost all respect for him after I saw that show.

[BUFF]

he drives me nuts running his head about do it "The hard way, the Barta way".... it embarrasses everyone that hunts with Trad gear.

[DEER KILLER]

Well all I can say is. He does it the barta way, but it seems to be the wrong way LOL
Kyle Scott

[timhicks]

I seen him hunt with my good friend Doug Mason on a do /hog hunt..the guy is simply goofy

[grizz]

Glad someone else saw it that way. A running 45 yard shot....wow. But then I see it posted every day guys bragging about "spining a deer", not finding shot deer, doesn't know enough about blood tracking that he mobilizes the internet s group to search to find his "trophy"...eventually needs dogs. And he's braggin and nobody calls him out....

Barta just reinforces..."just shoot and hope for a hit". I find a dozen deer skeletons every winter scouting.

I'm so disgusted I don't read the forum anymore.

[Ronny]

I think the man has lost his mind, if he ever had one:hammerhead:

[LostHawg]

I think he does it on purpose. Wants people to think its a lot harder than it really is to hunt with a longbow. I think his sponsors are trying to discourage the use of longbows and opt for the more expensive tech bows.

[Hot4huntin]

I think he needs to learn to do the "Buff way." :)

[Trailboss]

I think he does it on purpose. Wants people to think its a lot harder than it really is to hunt with a longbow. I think his sponsors are trying to discourage the use of longbows and opt for the more expensive tech bows.

Tred has sponsors now? That's new. He didn't used to.

Trailboss

[BUFF]

He is hooked up with 3 rivers... which is good. He is fortunate to hunt in some fantastic places and all and all seems to be a good shot. I just wish he didn't beat on the wheely bow folks so much. Most of the Trad guys I hunt with have no problem with them. I encourge new archers to start with the most high tech gear they can get their hands on.

[grizz]

I've been wanting to try a Traditional setup. Got the land now to be able to practice often..

What do you guys recommend. Brand/Pull Weight/Short lenght for hunting? Where can you go to see/feel some side by side. What's the price range for a high quality bow.

Should I start light and work up in poundage (can you get different weight limbs for modular riser?

I'm 5'11 205Lbs a can pull 80# on my Compound easy (but that has a 65% @letoff)..

Are these PROSHOP type aquisitions like Mathews products.

Any pointers are appreciated...good spring/summer project
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DUH...just saw the sponsor BW...still any info is appreciated

[Bossbowman]

Grizz call the biologist at joe pool lake at (817) 732-0761, and ask him to put you in touch with the guys who did the bowhunter education class at the TPWD station behind the dam. These guys bled traditional archery and had some very high end custom recurves made from texas osage, I think they may have even made some of them themselves, I know they knew bow lutheriers here in texas and said some of these custom handmake bows would blow any black widow or martin recurve away.

[LostHawg]

Sorry, thought I'd put a smiley face on there. Oops, no offense intended.:booboo:

[BUFF]

it doesn't cost a lot to get started. You can pick up a good used bow for $100.00 and remember that once you progress to the point that you what to move up in poundage, you should have no problem recooping your investment as used bows keep their value very well. Start with a low poundage bow. 40 to 45 is plenty to get you started. You will need arrows that are spined to fit your bow. Get help with the tuning. A lot of folks try Traditional equipment and give up quickly because they just can seem to get it, when the truth of the matter is they have arrows that are not the correct spine or their bows are poorly tuned. the best of us can't shoot a poorly tuned bow with any consistency. Next you will need a glove or tab. I would recommend a glove as your fingers will tend to get tender starting out with a soft tab.

[Chunky]

What Buff and the others said. Please feel free to give me a call sometime as I think it would be better than a long response here.

Mark Johnson
281-399-1636

[Eric4x4]

He is an embarrasment to bowhunting, or maybe it is just the editing of his show?

[LostHawg]

I think most bowhunting shows are an "embarrassment". Why do you think Chuck Addams doesn't have one? I've read some of his stories and talk about haphazard...

The Drury brothers, Will Primos, Knight and Hale, the Wensels, Fred Bear, Howard Hill they all about fall inline with what Barta is doing. I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a monopoly on it. Try sitting down and watching the "Truth" series of videos...

If you're interested in traditional, feel free to ask us any question. We've got Chunky and Buff as well as others who are very qualified to help you out. ;)

[LostHawg]

Grizz, this site is for the Lonestar Bowhunters. If any of the sponsors have a problem with questions and answers, then they need to consider whether or not they're in it for the money or for supporting bowhunting.

We are a nonprofit organization supporting the bowhunters of Texas. Its not a marketing thing.

**This is MY opinion regarding comments on this site. It does not necessarily reflect that of the membership or executive council of the Lonestar Bowhunters Association.

[grizz]

Thanks for the input! I was looking thru the tips/suggesttions and posts and found some good stuff. I didn't realize the tuning effort involved! Like I said..a good challenge for the offseason...wouldn't hunt with one for awhile I would think..

Was looking at the Black Widow sponsors link and I'm not adverse to spending that cash IF THE product QUALITY/Service supports the cost. I *knew* some trads who use the BW but that's the extent of my knowlege. I hope to semi-retire soon and will have ample time to travel/hunt.

Any suggestions as to which BW..I'm a treestand hunter and need a short bow. I do hunt bear so I'd like some KE.

Whats the PTF,PMA,PSA, PSR nominclature translation

What are the advantages/disadvantages of a one piece bow vs the take down bow? Can you have multiple Weight limbs that are interchangeable so you can change for different game situations?

Lastly, just wondering do you all "hold" and shoot on deer or snap shoot instintively (after much practice, I know)..how long can a "normal" guy hold drawn w/o letoff? Tred looked like he snap shoots and Buff said Tred was a "good shot" so is this the hunting style?

I'm getting serious about getting one so again..any ifo is aprreciated.

BossBowman..I'll call and check those contacts out.

Again...lots of info and Thanks for offers to help! I'll need it.

[grizz]

it doesn't cost a lot to get started. You can pick up a good used bow for $100.00 .

Got any contacts? I'd hate to ebay this...these
laminated bows can crack and separate...would want to buy from reputable source preferabble already tuned/spined

[Bossbowman]

All they guys I have seen shoot trad, shap shoot it. Basically I've been told if you don't have the time or drive to practice every day and stay in shape/form you should really go the compound route. Traditional takes alot of time and effort, I've tried it briefly with 60 lb martin dream-catcher, and never could get confident enough to shoot at an animal so I went back to my matthews compound (probably was too much weight). However there are definitely some advatages to the snap shoot, I can definitely see where you could get quick shots off at deer that would be basically impossible to do with a compound.

[LostHawg]

The best shots will usually hold at anchor for about a 2 - 3 count.

I always try to make sure I have a solid anchor before I release, and then I focus on a smooth release. I would not consider that snap shooting.

The focus of the instinctive form of shooting is not how fast you can get rid of the arrow. I should be on how consistant you can maintain your shot.

Solid anchor, steady/locked bow arm, clean - pulled through release utilizing your shoulder muscles to pull your fingers off the string, not just letting go of the string.

Black Widow probably has the MOST reputable name and quality. There are many others of the same quality such as Bob Lee, Bear, Great Plains, Horne, Sarrels, Adcock, and 21st Century. However, what might be a good bow to one, may not quite measure up for another. That's why its recommended that you try a few different bows if that option is available to you.

I highly recommend you check out the Great Plains and Sarrels bows. Great Plains is now building the Tomahawk line of bows as well and you can see them at www.3riversarchery.com.

Make sure you get a bow light enough that you will be able to work on your form without being strained to hold the bow back. 40 - 45 pounds will do this AND be legal to hunt with once you've made the choice to do so.

Don't rule anything out till you try it.

[bowtechhunter]

I agree tred barta has a terrible show

[LostHawg]

Honestly, I don't see much difference between him, Primos, Knight and Hale, Bob Fouldrod, the Wensels, etc. I think folks are just more critical of him because he uses the longbow, he's got the only traditional bowhunting show that I know of, (does Eichler have one?) and he's more into enjoying hunting as opposed to selling scent eliminator, deer pee, or X brand of bow like ALL the other shows do.

I'm not a Tred Barta fan, I don't condone or disagree with him, I just prefer to look at things honestly and fairly.

Read some of Chuck Addams adventures if you don't believe me...

Well, y'all go ahead...

[LostHawg]

Back on board.

[DraglineMan]

The new PMA series take-downs are CNC “precision crafted” with greater accuracy, detail and consistency than we have ever been able to achieve in the past. The black “phenolic” riser sections of the handle and limbs make a distinctive two-tone contrast; plus they are more impervious to moisture in the critical areas around the mounting pins and limb bolts. The extended shelf provides more protection for the hand and the outside edge of the shelf is relieved with a “paradox channel” to make it easier to achieve good arrow flight off-the-shelf. If smoothness and comfort are more important to you than maneuverability, then the PMA series may be your Black Widow of choice. The longer handle, with it’s long sight window, also permits the use of sights if that is your game. I shoot a PMA 46# at 28" and i like it.

[DraglineMan]

The new PSA series take-downs are CNC “precision crafted” with greater accuracy, detail and consistency than we have ever been able to achieve in the past. The black “phenolic” riser sections of the handle and limbs make a distinctive two-tone contrast; plus they are more impervious to moisture in the critical areas around the mounting pins and limb bolts. The extended shelf provides more protection for the hand and the outside edge of the shelf is relieved with a “paradox channel” to make it easier to achieve good arrow flight off-the-shelf. The PSA has a two inch shorter handle than the PMA series and is intended for the instinctive shooter that can utilize a shorter sight window than the PMA series. The shorter handle, in turn, allows for a comparatively longer working limb, making it possible to use a shorter overall bow length for greater maneuverability.I dont own a PSA but my dad has a few of them and he likes them.

[BUFF]

A few????? I do love my BW bows but I would not recommend them as a first bow. I would think a Martin or Sweptwing would make a better starter bow.

[BUFF]

Honestly, I don't see much difference between him, Primos, Knight and Hale, Bob Fouldrod, the Wensels, etc. I think folks are just more critical of him because he uses the longbow, he's got the only traditional bowhunting show that I know of, (does Eichler have one?) and he's more into enjoying hunting as opposed to selling scent eliminator, deer pee, or X brand of bow like ALL the other shows do.

I'm not a Tred Barta fan, I don't condone or disagree with him, I just prefer to look at things honestly and fairly.

Read some of Chuck Addams adventures if you don't believe me...

Well, y'all go ahead...

Does Eichler have a show? It is my favorite of the hunting shows. The man travels all over the country whacking animals with a Plamer and a Hoyt and does it with out all the chest beating about his equipment. The clip where he shoots a Grizzly bear that is standing , looking at him is one of the best I have ever seen.

[BUFF]

My point is that shooting an animal with Trad equipment is no big deal. Anybody can do it if they spend the time praticing. Heck look at Chunky. He has killed more animals than parvo and there is nothing special about him..... well other than his special education:jump:

[Chunky]

OUCH! I was staying at a safe distance from this thread when WHACK I got hit. That felt like a slow moving 800 grain arrow from a Blackwidow recurve with a Buff ugly blunt on it. :)

[LostHawg]

My point is that shooting an animal with Trad equipment is no big deal. Anybody can do it if they spend the time praticing. Heck look at Chunky. He has killed more animals than parvo and there is nothing special about him..... well other than his special education:jump:

I fully agree.

I did notice in the 1 show of Barta's that I saw, they dwelt on the fact that he shoots trad a lot. I mean it is suppose to be about hunting, not the tool used to get it done. At least I think so.

[Graybow]

Hey Tracy! Where ya agreeing about the practice or Chunky having to ride on the short bus? :rolleyes: (sorry Chunky) lol

[LostHawg]

Anybody can do it if they spend the time praticing.

Here ya go Graybow